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rates, not just more in taxes, higher tax rates. but for some reason it must be higher rates, period. that's it. end of story. not because it is going to move the needle and fix our out of control debt, because it won't, not because it will put america on a fiscal sustainable path, because it won't. that is where the president has drawn his line in the sand. meanwhile, the president is now proposing a form of kicking the can down the road. raising taxes now with a promise to deal with entitlement reform and tax reform next year or beyond. that's the real worrisome proposal. here we are at the center of probably the most important fiscal conversation this country has had in decades. no one thinks we can continue on this spending path we are on without a day of reckoning coming sooner or later. why would we not seize the
rates, not just more in taxes, higher tax rates. but for some reason it must be higher rates, period. that's it. end of story. not because it is going to move the needle and fix our out of control debt, because it won't, not because it will put america on a fiscal sustainable path, because it won't. that is where the president has drawn his line in the sand. meanwhile, the president is now proposing a form of kicking the can down the road. raising taxes now with a promise to deal with...
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it turns out that the taxes, because of the bush tax cut, the federal taxes due on dividends are 15%. people think that is low. it turns out, that the company already paid tax on that money. whatever money we have, we pay tax on and that is already the shareholders money. we pay the corporate tax on that money which belongs to shareholders. but, okay, the tax used to be 36% got it used to be ordinary income under president george bush. we believe the tax in 2013 and beyond will go to 40% or more. instead of paying a 40% tax federally, they will only pay a 15% tax. liz: have you talked to the president, and if you have not, what would you say about this issue. i would say that he should know more about economics. after certain points, the government raises less money by increasing the tax rate. if the tax rate were 100%, liz, how much money would the government raise? 100% of zero because nobody would go to work if the government confiscated everything. at some point, if the taxes increases and it turns out most analysis, most economists agree that that rate is about 30%. up to 30%, th
it turns out that the taxes, because of the bush tax cut, the federal taxes due on dividends are 15%. people think that is low. it turns out, that the company already paid tax on that money. whatever money we have, we pay tax on and that is already the shareholders money. we pay the corporate tax on that money which belongs to shareholders. but, okay, the tax used to be 36% got it used to be ordinary income under president george bush. we believe the tax in 2013 and beyond will go to 40% or...
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we live and die by property taxes and sales taxes and they are all coming in shorter than anticipated. basically because the property values in detroit. it is starting to pick up in michigan. we just need a little bit more time in order to get our financial house in order. in order to grow our economy. gerri: i have heard that before. we need more time to get our fiscal house in order. wouldn't it make more sense? i know that you are probably playing all kinds of different groups. all kinds of different political groups who want to have their voice heard. wouldn't it make more sense to come in and have the state on this thing -- the thing that we will fix this thing and get it done. >> unfortunately, they can't unilaterally change them. so the financial emergency manager coming into detroit, setting us back a year. we just need to have the political will make these decisions and get it done. we have the political will to get it done. i don't want to sound like a broken record, but it is as simple as that. an emergency manager can do anymore than what we are doing right now with the to
we live and die by property taxes and sales taxes and they are all coming in shorter than anticipated. basically because the property values in detroit. it is starting to pick up in michigan. we just need a little bit more time in order to get our financial house in order. in order to grow our economy. gerri: i have heard that before. we need more time to get our fiscal house in order. wouldn't it make more sense? i know that you are probably playing all kinds of different groups. all kinds of...
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this is his principles for tax reform from his budget in 2011. lower tax rates. the tax system should be simplified and work for all americans with lower individual and corporate tax rates and fewer brackets. again, that is the compromise we're all looking for, quickly. >> well it is absolutely but let me take you back to where you started. that is we have the big increases in spending that seem to be in the budget right now. that is where really the other side on this debate wants to go. increase spending. they need increased revenues. why not go over the fiscal cliff where you get both of those? i think that's where we are headed, david, unfortunately. david: bill beach, director of heriiage foundation director of for analysis. good to see you again. liz: right before the holidays, citi cutting costs and 11,000 jobs with it. that number could go up even more. liz macdonald has all the breaking details exclusively here on fox business. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care syst spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got he
this is his principles for tax reform from his budget in 2011. lower tax rates. the tax system should be simplified and work for all americans with lower individual and corporate tax rates and fewer brackets. again, that is the compromise we're all looking for, quickly. >> well it is absolutely but let me take you back to where you started. that is we have the big increases in spending that seem to be in the budget right now. that is where really the other side on this debate wants to go....
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the tax hike on most americans if we go over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up across the board, $167 a month. that's about the same as two people's smartphones at home. that's not even a bill they had ten years ago. let's talk more about it. joining us, jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. nicole wu, director of domestic policy at the center for economic and policy research. jared, i'm not suggesting we go over it but i think you get my point. we spend a lot of money on a lot things, some of which we need, some of which we don't. why would a 200-month tax raise destroy the economy but spending $200 a month on a smartphone somehow doesn't? >> because of the aggregation problem. if you just look at one person it doesn't look so bad. but when you sum it up across 300 million americans and you factor in that 70% of our gdp is consumer spending, in europe it is about 55% so we're more dependent on the consumer for our growth -- then you understand why the congressional budget office -- i don't think they've ever done this before -- is actually pred
the tax hike on most americans if we go over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up across the board, $167 a month. that's about the same as two people's smartphones at home. that's not even a bill they had ten years ago. let's talk more about it. joining us, jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. nicole wu, director of domestic policy at the center for economic and policy research. jared, i'm not suggesting we go over it but i think you get my point. we spend a...
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i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all, credit in commercial real estate is phenomenal. cap rates are really low. so the fact that rates are as low as they are has allowed commercial real estate not to fall into the abyss. if commercial real estate had to refi at high rates, we would have had another problem. the other problem is the fact margins are getting squeezed at these banks. credit quality is better. >> that's where the money comes from. >> yeah, fees. by the way, you can eat these loan loss reserves. citi still has close to $10 billion in reserves. they've not used them. >> that's interesting. >> these
i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all,...
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. >> is that because of the tax -- not the tax, the rate cut. >> well, right. they did have the rate cut. the day they have the rate cut the aussie dollar rose. you would think there would be some momentum in that. there really wasn't any momentum. that concerned me a bit. >> we were talking about apple. we talked about it last night. see what we had to do on the set last night. >> fundamentals, revenues slowing. earnings growth is slowing. potentially margins have been peaking. >> that is something that if somebody put that chart in front of you and didn't tell you what it was, you would not be buying it. you'd say, that rally is something to be sold. >> i will say that apple is much more than a chart, apple is an ecosystem. apple is something that people love in terms of its products and so, therefore, why can't it transcend just being a chart with a technical breakdown? >> the emotion, it's amazing the emotion that this stock brings out in folks. we could say something negative about cat tractor. we'll talk about freeport mak and nobody will bat an eye. if y
. >> is that because of the tax -- not the tax, the rate cut. >> well, right. they did have the rate cut. the day they have the rate cut the aussie dollar rose. you would think there would be some momentum in that. there really wasn't any momentum. that concerned me a bit. >> we were talking about apple. we talked about it last night. see what we had to do on the set last night. >> fundamentals, revenues slowing. earnings growth is slowing. potentially margins have been...
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businesses are looking ahead, and they're thinking with increased taxes, because of the fiscal cliff, if the worst happens, consumer demand is just going to fall off. they are already taking action today to try to prepare for that eventuality. but the consumer is kind of blankly ignoring this, and confidence is up for really lots of reasons. i mean, the net worth of households has been repaired. about two-thirds of it has come back as house prices rise and stock prices are now double what they were at the bottom in march of '09. when you look at state and local budgets, they're now much better with revenue rising. so the layoffs and budget cuts, we think are waning, if not over. housing is clearly coming back. things are improving and consumer confidence reflects that. >> tom: but there is that dark cloud of the fiscal cliff. you mentioned it earlier, businesses planning for consumer confidence to go off that cliff if we go off it as a country. do you not agree with that prospect? >> well, no. i believe it will -- if nothing happens and there is no agreement, i think there will be a m
businesses are looking ahead, and they're thinking with increased taxes, because of the fiscal cliff, if the worst happens, consumer demand is just going to fall off. they are already taking action today to try to prepare for that eventuality. but the consumer is kind of blankly ignoring this, and confidence is up for really lots of reasons. i mean, the net worth of households has been repaired. about two-thirds of it has come back as house prices rise and stock prices are now double what they...
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you give a 15% flat tax on income taxed, capital gains, gift tax, to put it across the board and then you will see everybody pay the same rate if you make more you pay more. if you make less, you pay less. the speaker and others keep talking about how we are going after the rich. i will never be there, don't care about defending the rich, want to send a system that lets everybody have that chance. england tried this in 2009, they put a hefty pay income tax on people making more than a million dollars per year. the next year they went to 6000 people. and you lose money com, you dont gain revenue. what happens to the middle class? middle class has to suck up even more tax because you are so stupid in your tax policy you actually thought she would tax rich people, but they move. the middle class cannot move. you have a deduction for one home mortgage interest deduction and for charitable deductions. our party has put charitable deduction restrictions on the table. let me tell you come that would kill charities which plays right into this administration. they want the government to be the
you give a 15% flat tax on income taxed, capital gains, gift tax, to put it across the board and then you will see everybody pay the same rate if you make more you pay more. if you make less, you pay less. the speaker and others keep talking about how we are going after the rich. i will never be there, don't care about defending the rich, want to send a system that lets everybody have that chance. england tried this in 2009, they put a hefty pay income tax on people making more than a million...
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with huge gains, you have uncertainty in terms of what the tax ramifications are to hold this into january, so why not trim, especially giving the b bottom that this stock has had. it had a huge snap back. none of that is fundamental. >> we're talking about a 4% move to the downside. >> for a stock, though, ped -- >> well, maybe not -- i think it's reason for us to talk about it, but at the same time if you trim off one of the digits and we're looking at it, wow, it's down 4% -- it's a $23 move on a $500, $600 stock, before we start saying the reasons, let's kind of keep some perspective on apple. >> thanz fine if you just woke up and were looking for stocks today, looking in a vacuum. the to be's in bear market territory. it's a much more significant correction. i agree 4% doesn't mean a lot. >> an opportunity on appear 8, you don't care about death crosses or margin requirements. you have a -- >> i disagree, i think apple is a value stock, no longer a growth stock. now you have to analyze it. now at this point, the new products aren't that innovative, so it requires some analysis. >> whe
with huge gains, you have uncertainty in terms of what the tax ramifications are to hold this into january, so why not trim, especially giving the b bottom that this stock has had. it had a huge snap back. none of that is fundamental. >> we're talking about a 4% move to the downside. >> for a stock, though, ped -- >> well, maybe not -- i think it's reason for us to talk about it, but at the same time if you trim off one of the digits and we're looking at it, wow, it's down 4%...
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the wealthy, higher taxes for the wealthy. that of course a major sticking point in the negotiations. that moved the dow up earlier but we don't have anything specific right now. these are all still rumors. apple, just a lot of things going on today. i believe there was an at&t investor conference where one of the executives at at&t gave sales figures for the smartphone sales for the first two months of the quarter saying sales would be flat implying they'd be flat from the same period last year. smartphones, which include overall smartphone sales like samsung and iphone sales. but i think some were a little disappointed to hear that, were hopeful it might be stronger. there are also concerns the ipad share of the tablet market might be slipping. and of course some firms raising margin requirements as well. >>> the leadership group here, our banks, a lot of analysts got what they wanted, citigroup cutting jobs, 11,000 jobs. cutting expenses. what a sad reason for the market and financials to be up today on that kind of headlin
the wealthy, higher taxes for the wealthy. that of course a major sticking point in the negotiations. that moved the dow up earlier but we don't have anything specific right now. these are all still rumors. apple, just a lot of things going on today. i believe there was an at&t investor conference where one of the executives at at&t gave sales figures for the smartphone sales for the first two months of the quarter saying sales would be flat implying they'd be flat from the same period...
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and he's raised tax rates and he was elected based on his tax the rich policy. he says that america is poised to take off and if it doesn't, it's the republicans fault. listen. >> you have the u.s. chamber of commerce hardly an arm of my administration or the democratic party. i think, said the other day, we can't be going through another debt crisis, a debt ceiling crisis like we did in 2011. that has to be dealt with. so, i think businesses are going to be ready to hire. we're seeing pretty strong consumer confidence despite weaknesses in europe and even in asia. i think america is poised to take off. stuart: well, the republicans are set to respond today when speaker boehner goes in front of the cameras. will he show signs of retreat or any sign of compromise? remember, the president wants higher tax rates. will john boehner try to move the line that the president has drawn? we will have it for you live here on "varney & company" starting around ten o'clock eastern. then we have darden restaurants, the parent of olive garden, red lobster. it says its business
and he's raised tax rates and he was elected based on his tax the rich policy. he says that america is poised to take off and if it doesn't, it's the republicans fault. listen. >> you have the u.s. chamber of commerce hardly an arm of my administration or the democratic party. i think, said the other day, we can't be going through another debt crisis, a debt ceiling crisis like we did in 2011. that has to be dealt with. so, i think businesses are going to be ready to hire. we're seeing...
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taxes. is anybody listening to this? >> we just put this out. we like to get congress focus on doing the least amount of harm while they raise revenues of some sort. you can do through asset sales, develop kind of things thee3 government owns and does not own. a lot of things in terms of oil leases and about a trillion dollars worth of mineral rights the government can sell off rather than raising taxes. they can equate government workers to pay more towards the health insurance and pensions, that would be a good thing and raise revenues. there are lots of ways to raise revenues without doing harm to the economy. lori: i have got to interrupt you here, why is the president so insistent upon raising tax rates for the wealthy? if you are point we don't necessarily have to do that to get meaningful revenues. melissa: it seems like religious or political on is part. this is a matter of an article of faith on the part of democrats and liberals to get rid of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. they
taxes. is anybody listening to this? >> we just put this out. we like to get congress focus on doing the least amount of harm while they raise revenues of some sort. you can do through asset sales, develop kind of things thee3 government owns and does not own. a lot of things in terms of oil leases and about a trillion dollars worth of mineral rights the government can sell off rather than raising taxes. they can equate government workers to pay more towards the health insurance and...
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pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those jobs are coming from and a charge that the company plans to take in the fourth quarter because of these job cuts even though it expects them to generate $900 million in cost savings next year. interestingly this is the first move toward really slimming down citi by the new ceo. he has a quote in here saying these actions are logical next steps in citi's transformation and says they're committed to strategy that continues to leverage in the global banking market. if you go through the list of where these jobs are actually coming from, institutional clients group which is investment banking
pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those...